The text of our Charlie Chan Family Chat for January 8, 2024
Feature: Eran Trece (There Were Thirteen)
Chat Number: 1,237
Extras:
Spike Jones Show – Harpo Marx (January 9, 1954); CHARLIE CHAN CARRIES ON [1931, Trailer] – Warner Oland
Participants:
Friend and Foxx
Godwinshelley
Hawaii_Steve
hounder
Len Freemen
Matt
Mike in DC
Rush
Good night!
01-08 18:27
Rush:
Good evening, Matt!
01-08 18:31
Rush:
How are you tonight?
01-08 18:31
Matt:
Hello Rush!
Pretty good, thnx…..yourself?
01-08 18:31
Rush:
We are supposed to get a LOT of snow here tonight.
Doing well, thank you! Started my new job today.
01-08 18:32
Matt:
Yikes…..Is the snowblower ready to go?
01-08 18:32
Rush:
Yes, it sure is!
Schools may be cancelled tomorrow.
01-08 18:32
Matt:
Congrats…..I hope that works out well!
01-08 18:32
Rush:
TYSM.
01-08 18:32
Hawaii_Steve:
Aloha from a wet and rainy Kailua.
01-08 18:32
Matt:
Alohaaaaaaa, Steve!
01-08 18:32
Rush:
Happy Birthday, Steve!
01-08 18:33
Rush:
Hauʻoli Lā Hānau!
01-08 18:33
Matt:
We’re going to get a lot of rain, wind & flooding tomorrow…..to the point where some schools are closing…..I don’t get it, but….
01-08 18:33
Rush:
Are there still flash flood concerns, Steve?
01-08 18:34
Hawaii_Steve:
Aloha! Thank you for the birthday wishes.
01-08 18:34
Matt:
Happy Birthday, Steve!
01-08 18:35
Rush:
We will have a fun extra tonight.
We should startit in 5 minutes.
01-08 18:35
Matt:
Hello Mike!
01-08 18:35
Mike in DC:
Good evening all!
01-08 18:35
Rush:
Runs about 26 minutes.
01-08 18:35
Mike in DC:
Hey Matt
01-08 18:35
Rush:
AH! Mike!
WELCOME BACK!
01-08 18:35
Hawaii_Steve:
Oo. In five minutes. Exciting.
01-08 18:35
Mike in DC:
Steve? Birthday? Happy Birthday!
I
01-08 18:35
Rush:
How did Rachel’s trip out west go?
01-08 18:36
Mike in DC:
It’s good to see everyone this year!
01-08 18:36
Hawaii_Steve:
Yes, it’s my birthday. Actually, its tomorrow.
01-08 18:36
Mike in DC:
Rach’s trip was exhausting but fun. She was back for two days and now is in Houston with the band at the national championship game
I just saw her on TV. 
01-08 18:36
Rush:
I looked for her att he parade and at halftime, but there were so many people!
01-08 18:36
Hawaii_Steve:
Rush is kind enough to let me celebrate it with the Chan Clan.
01-08 18:36
Matt:
Awesomw, Mike!
01-08 18:37
Mike in DC:
Glad to see you made another orbit around the sun, Steve. May you have 100 more!
01-08 18:37
Rush:
Wonderful, Mike!
01-08 18:37
Matt:
01-08 18:37
Mike in DC:
Yeah. You sort of have to know where to look for her in that mob.
01-08 18:37
Hawaii_Steve:
Matt. LOL!!!
01-08 18:37
Rush:
Three minutes till Steve’s extra!
01-08 18:37
Mike in DC:
We’ve got some pics to share as soon as I get them from her.
01-08 18:37
Rush:
It aired on NBC TV the very day he was born!
01-08 18:38
Mike in DC:
Extra? is there a link perhaps? (sorry ill prepared this evening)
01-08 18:38
Hawaii_Steve:
Thank you Mike. I’m in orbit right now.
01-08 18:38
Rush:
Very good, Mike!
It will be fun to see them!
01-08 18:38
Hawaii_Steve:
01-08 18:38
Mike in DC:
AWESOME! I love Spike Jones!
01-08 18:38
Rush:
TYSM! I was about to post the link, as well!
01-08 18:39
Rush:
Yes, I remember the first time I heard Spike Jones when I was in hight school! Loved him immediately!
01-08 18:39
Mike in DC:
His Hawaiian War Chant is superb
01-08 18:39
Hawaii_Steve:
My mother gave birth to me during the actual broadcast of The Spike Jones Show, an early example of “live” network television.
01-08 18:39
Mike in DC:
An auspicious start, Steve.
01-08 18:39
Rush:
Are we ready?
01-08 18:39
Hawaii_Steve:
Saturday, January 9, 1954 LIVE on NBC.
01-08 18:39
Matt:
No way Steve!
01-08 18:40
Rush:
YES WAY!
01-08 18:40
Hawaii_Steve:
Yes, way, Matt.
01-08 18:40
Rush:
Let’s go….!
15…
10…
5….
01-08 18:40
Hawaii_Steve:
Standing by.
01-08 18:40
Rush:
GO!!!
01-08 18:40
Hawaii_Steve:
Music sounded something like this.
01-08 18:42
Mike in DC:
These guys act like clowns but they’re really excellent musicians
01-08 18:42
Rush:
GREAT stuff!
01-08 18:42
Matt:
I would think they would have to be
01-08 18:42
Mike in DC:
Tchaikowskyy piano concerto
01-08 18:43
Rush:
HARPO!!!!
01-08 18:43
Mike in DC:
:O
01-08 18:46
Matt:
lol
01-08 18:47
Rush:
I think that was Billy Barty holding the record.
01-08 18:49
Hawaii_Steve:
Sorry, I got knocked out. Big storm hitting Oahu right now.
Mike, you are correct.
01-08 18:49
Mike in DC:
welcome back!
01-08 18:50
Rush:
Hang in there, Steve!
01-08 18:50
Hawaii_Steve:
Where are we with time?
01-08 18:51
Mike in DC:
10:45
11:00
01-08 18:51
hounder:
hi everyone.
01-08 18:52
Matt:
Hello Hounder!
01-08 18:52
Rush:
Billy Barty?
01-08 18:52
Hawaii_Steve:
Yes, that’s Billy Barty doing all the physical stuff.
01-08 18:52
Rush:
Prop troubles!
01-08 18:54
Mike in DC:
Sort of worked that gag to death…
01-08 18:54
Rush:
Welcome to the party, Hounder!
01-08 18:54
Matt:
Lov’in the suit!
01-08 18:55
Mike in DC:
01-08 18:55
Hawaii_Steve:
At the time of this “live” television broadcast, Harpo Marx was 65 years old, and Spike Jones was 42 years old. I was about 15 minutes old. A reporter asked me to criticize the program. My response was “Goo goo, ga ga.”
01-08 18:55
Matt:
lol
01-08 18:56
hounder:
lol
01-08 18:56
Mike in DC:
Harpo is 65 here? Ageless…
01-08 18:56
Hawaii_Steve:
Yes he was.
01-08 18:56
Mike in DC:
Penetrating criticism, Steve. You were clearly destined for a career as a music critic.
01-08 18:57
Rush:
Steve:
01-08 18:58
Hawaii_Steve:
Harpo’s appearance on this program pre-dates his famous appear on “I Love Lucy” (May 9, 1955 CBS-TV) by about a year and a half.
01-08 18:59
Rush:
Harpo actually did play the harp quite masterfully.
Hello, LEN!
01-08 18:59
Mike in DC:
Fun fact: The harpist for the Philadelphia Orchestra in the 1930s was a member of the Votta clan.
01-08 18:59
Rush:
WELCOME!
01-08 18:59
Mike in DC:
Hello Len!
01-08 18:59
hounder:
hi steve
01-08 18:59
Rush:
How are you this evening?
01-08 18:59
Matt:
Hello Len!
01-08 18:59
Len Freeman:
Hi Rush….. Mike et al… happy to be here… and Lindsay is going to sit in as well
01-08 18:59
hounder:
hi len
01-08 19:00
Matt:
Hello Lindsay too!
01-08 19:00
Len Freeman:
Love Eran Trace, she’s never seen it
01-08 19:00
hounder:
hi lindsey
01-08 19:01
Hawaii_Steve:
Hi guys. Thanks for joining the party.
01-08 19:01
Mike in DC:
really enjoy this band!
01-08 19:01
Len Freeman:
(Hounder, it’s Lindsay with an A (she’ sensitive about that one….)
01-08 19:01
Mike in DC:
Greetings Lindsay. Hope you enjoy the show!
01-08 19:02
Hawaii_Steve:
i love the energy these guys present. LIVE !!!
01-08 19:02
Rush:
I had an uncle in Pennsylvania who played the banjo. When I was a kid I saw him play live on the local radio.
01-08 19:02
Matt:
Quite fun!
01-08 19:02
hounder:
i’m sorry. I don’t have my glasses on. apologies Lindsay.
01-08 19:03
Mike in DC:
They play with energy and a lot of creativity in really silly tunes. That takes some real musicianship
01-08 19:03
Hawaii_Steve:
i think that was George Rock on trumpet.
01-08 19:03
Rush:
WELCOME, Lindsay!
01-08 19:04
Mike in DC:
This band is waaay different, but has the same kind of talent and assortment of characters as Frank Zappa’s band of the 80s
01-08 19:05
Rush:
Yay, Harpo!
Minimal sets on this show!
01-08 19:06
Mike in DC:
Ta-da?
01-08 19:06
Matt:
Very nice and thnx for the extra, Steve!
01-08 19:06
Hawaii_Steve:
Yeah!!! And how about that for high energy entertainment,
01-08 19:07
Rush:
Well! That was broadcast the day Steve was born!
HAPPY 70th, sir!
01-08 19:07
Mike in DC:
Very fun and what a great way to add Hawaii Steve to the planet!
01-08 19:07
Hawaii_Steve:
Thank you Matt. Thank you Rush for allowing me to present this program from 70 years ago. Such fun.
01-08 19:07
Rush:
01-08 19:07
Mike in DC:
Wow. A septuagenarian in our midst!
01-08 19:07
Hawaii_Steve:
Thank you Matt. LOL!!!
01-08 19:08
Rush:
For some reason, Spike Jones’ show had a fairly short run…unlike Hawaii Steve!
01-08 19:08
Hawaii_Steve:
Mike, if you keep talking like that, I’ll have to wash your mouth out with soap. Ha-ha.
01-08 19:08
Rush:
01-08 19:08
hounder:
very fun show hs. thank you for sharing
01-08 19:09
Mike in DC:
Hey. I’m just hoping to make it that far Steve. 
01-08 19:09
Rush:
7 minutes until we first watch the trailer for “Charlie Chan Carries On”!
01-08 19:09
Hawaii_Steve:
The Jones Series was always a mid-season replacement. Or summer series.
01-08 19:09
Rush:
AH!
01-08 19:09
Mike in DC:
I’m Jones-ing for some Chan.
01-08 19:10
Matt:
Si
01-08 19:10
Mike in DC:
Anyone remember the 70s?
01-08 19:10
Len Freeman:
I don’t have the trailer.. I have the film on the Chan Volume 1 disk
01-08 19:10
Hawaii_Steve:
The 70s. Yes, indeed I do.
01-08 19:10
hounder:
i do mike
01-08 19:10
Mike in DC:
In my circle, everyone was always “Jones-ing” for something.
01-08 19:10
Hawaii_Steve:
Rush, don’t you have a quick trailer for us?
01-08 19:11
Rush:
4 minutes…
01-08 19:11
Mike in DC:
Idle thought: It is such a tragedy that these early Chan films were lost.
01-08 19:11
Godwinshelley:
I’m here – and I’m cued
01-08 19:11
Mike in DC:
Hi GS!
01-08 19:11
Rush:
Yes, Mike.
01-08 19:11
Hawaii_Steve:
What are we playing?
01-08 19:11
Friend and Foxx:
A HAPPY!!
01-08 19:11
Godwinshelley:
Hi Mike
01-08 19:11
Matt:
Hello GS!
01-08 19:11
Godwinshelley:
Hello all
01-08 19:11
Rush:
GS! WELCOME!!!
01-08 19:11
Len Freeman:
We’re watching it on our 77 inch TV tonight,
01-08 19:11
hounder:
hi gs
01-08 19:12
Mike in DC:
Hey FnF!
01-08 19:12
Godwinshelley:
WOW
01-08 19:12
Rush:
Friend and Foxx!
01-08 19:12
Mike in DC:
Len: Size matters.
01-08 19:12
hounder:
cool len. almost like in a theater
01-08 19:12
Rush:
So happy you are back!
01-08 19:12
Matt:
Hello F & F!
01-08 19:12
Rush:
WELCOME!!!
01-08 19:12
hounder:
hi f n f
01-08 19:12
Rush:
The link to the trailer…
01-08 19:12
Mike in DC:
Werner looks young!
01-08 19:12
Rush:
2 minutes…..
01-08 19:12
Matt:
Indeed!
01-08 19:13
Hawaii_Steve:
Ready. Cued.
01-08 19:13
Friend and Foxx:
Hello Hawaii, GS, Rush, Len, Matt, Mike, Hounder—this place STAG tonight??
01-08 19:13
Rush:
it has an contemporary introduction and then the vintage trailer.
01-08 19:13
Godwinshelley:
You mean all guys? – then no, I am representing the other half
01-08 19:13
Len Freeman:
ah,…. TYSM
01-08 19:13
Rush:
75 seconds…
01-08 19:13
hounder:
me too gs
01-08 19:14
Rush:
60 seconds…
01-08 19:14
Len Freeman:
my wife Lindsay is here
01-08 19:14
Friend and Foxx:
How are everyone? Braced for mayhem?
01-08 19:14
Mike in DC:
GS and hounder…representing!
01-08 19:14
Rush:
50 seconds…
01-08 19:14
Hawaii_Steve:
Aloha, all the genders represented here tonight.
01-08 19:14
Rush:
YAY, Lindsay!!!!
01-08 19:14
Friend and Foxx:
Hello Lindsay!
01-08 19:14
Hawaii_Steve:
Some of which I am not sure of.
01-08 19:14
Rush:
40 seconds…
30…
25…
20…
01-08 19:14
Len Freeman:
01-08 19:15
Rush:
15….
10…
5….
GO!!!
01-08 19:15
Friend and Foxx:
GONG HO!
01-08 19:15
Matt:
Geno’s!
01-08 19:15
Godwinshelley:
1931 – the same year as “Frankenstein”
01-08 19:15
Hawaii_Steve:
And Dracula.
01-08 19:15
Friend and Foxx:
Music is WEIRD, or weirdly attached anyway.
01-08 19:16
Friend and Foxx:
DUFF!!
El CHARLIEchan
01-08 19:17
Godwinshelley:
So that was Oland in that photo
01-08 19:17
Friend and Foxx:
ACCIÓN!!
01-08 19:17
Hawaii_Steve:
93 years ago.
01-08 19:17
Friend and Foxx:
Ratónes!!
01-08 19:18
Friend and Foxx:
LUIS Potter—he’s not—nah, couldn’t be—
01-08 19:18
Hawaii_Steve:
Very cool that we have this example of early Chan.
01-08 19:18
Rush:
There you have it!
01-08 19:19
Matt:
Wish we could find this film 
01-08 19:19
hounder:
very cool! thank you ruch
01-08 19:19
Mike in DC:
God, I wish we had these films.
01-08 19:19
Rush:
The trailer for the “lost” “Charlie Chan carries On.”
01-08 19:19
Matt:
Thnx Rush!
01-08 19:19
Len Freeman:
wow,… thank you for that!
01-08 19:19
Rush:
So do I, sir!
01-08 19:19
Hawaii_Steve:
Gotta love it. Rush, trailer for a lost film.
01-08 19:19
Rush:
So…
01-08 19:19
hounder:
that would be so cool matt
01-08 19:19
Mike in DC:
10,000 thanks, Rush. A window into the past.
01-08 19:20
Friend and Foxx:
A huge historic hole, that fire.
01-08 19:20
Rush:
Next we have the Spanish language version of the “lost” film..”Eran Trece”
01-08 19:20
Rush:
(“There Were Thirteen”
Please pause at the opening title…
I will post the film here….
01-08 19:20
Len Freeman:
ready here
01-08 19:20
Mike in DC:
I can SO imagine all of us in the Chan clan dressed up in our “evening” clothes discussing this at a party in the 30s.
01-08 19:20
hounder:
ready here
01-08 19:20
Godwinshelley:
OK I guess I have started my feature film a bit early –
01-08 19:20
Friend and Foxx:
No. No no no no NO!
01-08 19:21
Rush:
01-08 19:21
Matt:
Cued!
01-08 19:21
Rush:
Cued here….
01-08 19:21
Rush:
Sort countdown….
30 seconds…
25….
20…
15…
01-08 19:21
Hawaii_Steve:
Mike, that’s a great idea.
01-08 19:22
Rush:
10…
5…
GO!!!
01-08 19:22
Matt:
01-08 19:22
Rush:
Title….
01-08 19:22
Mike in DC:
Gong girl!
01-08 19:22
Rush:
Music….
Credits….
01-08 19:22
Len Freeman:
going gong
01-08 19:22
Friend and Foxx:
GONG 2!!
01-08 19:22
Rush:
01-08 19:22
Friend and Foxx:
We had started the feature too early, too!
01-08 19:22
Rush:
Scotland Yard.
01-08 19:22
Mike in DC:
Steve: It’s a gift to hang out with folks who treasure the past
01-08 19:23
Friend and Foxx:
I wonder if we’ll run into Inspector Duff?
01-08 19:23
Rush:
If you need to re-sync the movie we are at 1:30
Here is Duff!
01-08 19:23
Friend and Foxx:
El CHARLIEchan.
01-08 19:24
Rush:
Duff gets his wish soon!
01-08 19:24
Friend and Foxx:
Fox here is always LOOKING, anyway!
01-08 19:24
Rush:
Yes, Friend angel!
01-08 19:24
Friend and Foxx:
What’s this Chan / Biggers thang with Foxes, anyway??
01-08 19:24
Mike in DC:
To my semi-trained ear this sounds VERY Mexican Spanish…not European Spanish. Can anyone confirm or deny that?
01-08 19:25
Hawaii_Steve:
Mike, all of us at this site tonight treasure the past. i.e. great films like the Chan series.
01-08 19:25
Friend and Foxx:
Any relation—?
01-08 19:25
Hawaii_Steve:
No sabe.
01-08 19:25
Rush:
I agree, Mike.
01-08 19:26
Rush:
That would make sence, as this was shot in Hollywood and there would be plenty of Maxican actors within reach!
01-08 19:26
Friend and Foxx:
My adopted brother, from Central America, says this is Mexican.
01-08 19:26
Rush:
TYSM, Friend….Amigo!
01-08 19:27
Mike in DC:
Muchas gracias, Friend.
01-08 19:27
Rush:
TRECE “Eran Trece”…”There Were Thirteen”
01-08 19:28
Hawaii_Steve:
Si, Senior Rush, Senior Mike, Senior Foxx.
01-08 19:28
Friend and Foxx:
No. No no no no NO. NO!!
01-08 19:29
Friend and Foxx:
Mr.Decker: any relation to—
01-08 19:29
Rush:
In two weeks, we will be sharing the “lost” Chan film…”Charlie Chan’s Chance” through a good re-creation which is an “extra” on the Fox DVD collection!
01-08 19:29
Hawaii_Steve:
The diction of the actors is very clean. Most likely due to their theater experience.
01-08 19:30
Rush:
So, with this movie plus the re-creation, we get to experience, in a way, TWO of the four “lost” films!
01-08 19:30
Mike in DC:
Exactamente, Senor Rush. Eran trece. Luego doce…luego once…luego…
01-08 19:30
Rush:
Yes, Steve.
01-08 19:31
Mike in DC:
This sounds like the way I’ve heard upper-class Mexican people talking. There’s a kind of precision about it that’s captivating.
01-08 19:31
Rush:
I see.
01-08 19:31
Godwinshelley:
What other material is available for the other lost films
01-08 19:31
Friend and Foxx:
WOW! CC’s CHANCE!!???
01-08 19:31
Mike in DC:
Rush…you are the BEST
01-08 19:31
hounder:
i’m just trying to catch a word here or there
01-08 19:32
Rush:
well…we do have our own script-based reconstructions with illustration HEAR at this site!
01-08 19:32
Len Freeman:
Looking forward to Chance..
01-08 19:32
Mike in DC:
Me too, Len!
01-08 19:32
Rush:
All four.
01-08 19:32
Godwinshelley:
good
01-08 19:32
Friend and Foxx:
“Perhaps idea could not stand solitary confinement.”
01-08 19:32
Mike in DC:
hounder: Before Rachel, I was married to a Mexican woman. Spent a lot of time around Mexican Spanish speakers.
01-08 19:32
Rush:
F and F:
01-08 19:33
Godwinshelley:
Could we get some folks to the a radio version of those 4 scripts I wonder
01-08 19:33
Rush:
That’d be wonderful, GS!
01-08 19:33
Godwinshelley:
Are the scripts public domain?
01-08 19:33
hounder:
i’ve been playing with a spanish program trying to remember things i learned in high school
01-08 19:34
Rush:
Max Minchin!
01-08 19:34
Mike in DC:
It would be awesome to find actors that could SOUND like the 30s. Acting is such a different things nowadays.
01-08 19:34
Friend and Foxx:
GS: Are you proposing a Chan Family 2024 reading of 4 scripts?
01-08 19:34
Rush:
Note how the gangster’s demenor mellows toward the end of the movie…att he party!
01-08 19:34
Godwinshelley:
I know Mark Redfield who is doing audio programming on youtube – he has been an actor for years
01-08 19:35
Hawaii_Steve:
GS, all Chan scripts, including the “lost” Chans are under copyright by TCF, now owned by the Disney Company.
01-08 19:35
Friend and Foxx:
We BET it will!
01-08 19:35
Len Freeman:
That’s be fun… the reading
01-08 19:36
Godwinshelley:
We would need someone who has the equipment to record and add sound effects properly
So even the scripts for lost films are still copyrighted
01-08 19:36
Rush:
And, I suspect Disney has the Chan movies stashed away in some obscure corner of their vast world!
01-08 19:36
Friend and Foxx:
Geez, these guys are 50 years ahead of time, & need to get to the Village People concert!
01-08 19:36
Rush:
AH!
01-08 19:36
Godwinshelley:
Hard to believe a studio would pay to renew a copyright for something that is lost
01-08 19:37
Mike in DC:
Copyright lasts for 75 or 90 years from the death of the creator nowadays
01-08 19:37
Hawaii_Steve:
Lost films do not stay lost forever. They reappear from the far corners of the world.
01-08 19:37
Friend and Foxx:
What about the rich Corinthian leather?? PLEASE don’t break my heart over THAT!!
01-08 19:37
Rush:
Yes, Steve!
01-08 19:37
Mike in DC:
But we could use the copyrighted material as a “research project.”
01-08 19:37
Rush:
It has and can happen!
01-08 19:38
Mike in DC:
Rush, you lost me. What can happen?
01-08 19:38
Rush:
I think a good possibility would be the former Soviet Bloc nations.
They were sealed off for decades.
01-08 19:39
Mike in DC:
AH! Yes. The only extant copy of old Chan films with Bulgarian overdub
01-08 19:39
Rush:
Lost films can turn up when least expected~!
01-08 19:39
Godwinshelley:
I’m missing a soundtrack behind the dialog
01-08 19:39
Rush:
Yes?
01-08 19:39
Friend and Foxx:
H.S.: Let’s haste to the dark corners, then. People oughta START looking there!
01-08 19:39
Rush:
The Youtube copy?
Indeed, F and F!
01-08 19:39
Mike in DC:
Love how the soundtrack for this is just people talking.
01-08 19:40
Hawaii_Steve:
Mike, the copyright on films is different than the copyright on books.
01-08 19:41
Friend and Foxx:
We here (in NC!!) are watching the DVD boxset LEN kindly sent us.
01-08 19:41
Mike in DC:
Ah. I’m going by the copyright on “original creative work” (which is what we live with in the music world)
01-08 19:41
Hawaii_Steve:
As of 2024, the first two Chan novels, by Biggers, are in public domain. It would much SAFER to do a reading of the novels by Biggers.
01-08 19:41
Godwinshelley:
Are the lost films based directly on particular Chan novels?
01-08 19:41
Rush:
Thank you, Len! That was very nice!!!
01-08 19:42
Len Freeman:
Had and extra set… put to good use
01-08 19:42
hounder:
i just realized there isn’t any music behind the dialogue
01-08 19:42
Friend and Foxx:
That toddlin’ town?!!
01-08 19:42
Rush:
Chicago…home of Max and sadie Minchin…
01-08 19:42
Friend and Foxx:
You can tell your great-great grandchildren!
01-08 19:43
Hawaii_Steve:
Disney has a reputation of going after anybody who violates their product. Charlie Chan is now their product.
01-08 19:43
Len Freeman:
when they first wen to sound they dumped all the music scores… thinking that they’d just been cover for when the films were silent
01-08 19:43
Friend and Foxx:
They’re WATCHING NOW!
01-08 19:44
Godwinshelley:
Well Steamboat Mickey is public domain as of this year – just don’t put gloves or color on the mouse
01-08 19:45
Friend and Foxx:
WE’RE taking the gloves off & putting a CAT on the mouse.
01-08 19:46
Friend and Foxx:
We mean a FOX. A FOX on the mouse.
01-08 19:46
Mike in DC:
Len: Is there anywhere someone could learn the history of the Hollywood music libraries? (Asking for a friend…)
01-08 19:46
Hawaii_Steve:
As of 2024, Mickey Mouse fell into public domain. But Disney still holds the “trademark” of Mickey Mouse, which is different.
01-08 19:47
Rush:
Yes.
01-08 19:48
Friend and Foxx:
It IS NICE!!
01-08 19:48
Mike in DC:
Ugh. Lame music.
01-08 19:49
Friend and Foxx:
TIN CAN.
01-08 19:49
Hawaii_Steve:
The Mickey Mouse image of “Streamboat Willie” is different from the MM image of the 1950s and 1960s. Precede with caution.
01-08 19:49
Rush:
Matt?
01-08 19:49
Matt:
01-08 19:49
Rush:
TYSM…Matt….
01-08 19:49
Friend and Foxx:
Yes, utterly unambulatory music.
01-08 19:49
Mike in DC:
Otro asesinato!
01-08 19:49
Rush:
SI!
01-08 19:50
Rush:
Tell him NOW!!!
NEVER wait to inform!
01-08 19:51
Godwinshelley:
Never say “The killer is …” and then pause –
01-08 19:51
Mike in DC:
Even in Spanish Chans. If you know something incriminating and don’t tell…you are living on borrowed time!
01-08 19:51
Godwinshelley:
it”s just a death sentence
01-08 19:52
Rush:
Yes, Mike!
01-08 19:52
hounder:
yup mike
01-08 19:52
Rush:
And GS!
Ready the can!
01-08 19:52
Godwinshelley:
I’m surprised it didn’t happen in Chan’s office – just how many people get killed in Chan’s office each year
01-08 19:53
Mike in DC:
Sé quién es el criminal, pero no lo diré ahora
OH. Did someone get shot?
01-08 19:53
Rush:
Yep!
01-08 19:53
Mike in DC:
Digame!
01-08 19:53
Matt:
01-08 19:54
Rush:
TYSM…Matt….
That’s three including the one who died before we arrived!
01-08 19:55
Rush:
Egypt….
Istanbul….
India….
01-08 19:55
Hawaii_Steve:
The other night, I watched “The Black Cat” (1934) with Karloff and Lugosi. 80% of the music track is from classical music. All of public domain. No royalty rights paid by Universal Pictures.
01-08 19:55
Rush:
Hong Kong.
01-08 19:56
Rush:
Funny dialogue here.
01-08 19:56
Mike in DC:
Steve: But at the time the music was used in the film, it might not have been PD
01-08 19:56
Rush:
Yes, Steve!
01-08 19:57
Mike in DC:
Of course, back then folks just stole music shamelessly
01-08 19:57
Rush:
01-08 19:58
Hawaii_Steve:
A score consisting of excerpts from classical pieces composed by Liszt,[11] Tchaikovsky,[12] Chopin,[13] and others runs through nearly 80% of the film.[14] The soundtrack was compiled by Heinz Roemheld.
01-08 19:58
Rush:
She holds a JAPANESE fan.
01-08 19:59
Rush:
More fun dialogue.
01-08 20:01
Rush:
He is reluctant to tell her his true feelings as she is wealthy and he doesn’t want her to think he loves her because of her money.
“Jim Maynard!”
01-08 20:01
Mike in DC:
The copyright on Tchaikowsky’s music in the US would have expired around 1950, but the Soviet era disrupted all of that
01-08 20:01
Hawaii_Steve:
Mike, at the time that composers of classical music were alive, the Library of Congress did not excist. There were no copyright laws then. Composers could steal each others music.
01-08 20:02
Rush:
She at least knows he’s one of four persons.
But she made a HUGE mistake there!
01-08 20:02
Godwinshelley:
At last
01-08 20:03
Mike in DC:
No no no. Copyright WAS alive and well. There are some famous stories about performances running into issues.
01-08 20:03
Rush:
Honolulu.
01-08 20:03
Len Freeman:
ahhhhh
01-08 20:03
Matt:
CC!
01-08 20:03
Rush:
Chan at home.
01-08 20:03
Hawaii_Steve:
Here we are in Honolulu.
01-08 20:03
Mike in DC:
(And BTW, people are STILL composing classical music! )
01-08 20:04
Rush:
Manuel Arbo.
True, Mike!
01-08 20:04
Len Freeman:
I like Arbo.. a good Chan IMHOP
01-08 20:04
Rush:
Someone I once heard say that today’s best music is being made for movie sound tracks.
01-08 20:05
Rush:
Steve, do you recognize the street here?
Chan wears a wide brimmed hat.
01-08 20:05
Hawaii_Steve:
Bishop Street in downtown Honolulu. The building on the left is still standing.
01-08 20:05
Rush:
TYSM!
01-08 20:05
Mike in DC:
Not sure I agree with that, Rush. There’s some great music being made everywhere. The next Mozart could be a hip-hop artist. There are some major talents there.
01-08 20:06
Rush:
Chan’s ground floor office. I believe that the same set is used for “The Black Camel.”
01-08 20:06
Hawaii_Steve:
The Library of Congress was created in 1800 to holds the books of Thomas Jefferson. Not for copyright purposes.
01-08 20:07
Friend and Foxx:
Points well made, Mike. You know we here are a grouse, and must maintain curmudgeon façades.
01-08 20:08
Mike in DC:
Is the plural of grouse, “grease?”
01-08 20:08
Rush:
01-08 20:08
Friend and Foxx:
Our Chan here looks so much like Harold Peary at points, that i expect Walter Tetley to yell, “Are you KIDDING?”
01-08 20:08
Rush:
01-08 20:09
Friend and Foxx:
Mike, i had an unbalanced uncle who drowned in ancient grease.
Rush, that looks like a famous grouse. Does he drink?
01-08 20:09
Rush:
Sort of..
01-08 20:09
Hawaii_Steve:
The Great Gildersleeve.
01-08 20:09
Godwinshelley:
Great Guildersleeve
01-08 20:10
Mike in DC:
Rosenkranz and Guildersleve?
01-08 20:10
Rush:
The left Duff lying on the floor.
Mrs. Chan speaks Japanese.
01-08 20:11
Rush:
“Sayonara.”
01-08 20:11
Mike in DC:
Ah so. In 1930, “sayonara” could be Chinese for US audience. There IS such a thing as progress!
01-08 20:11
Rush:
“Gracias, muchicimas.”
01-08 20:11
Friend and Foxx:
01-08 20:12
Len Freeman:
Foxx… my favorite!!
01-08 20:12
Friend and Foxx:
INSULTINGLY wounded.
Keister?
01-08 20:13
Rush:
Yes, Friend. Insultingly shot in Chan’s own office.
01-08 20:14
Rush:
“Talk will not cook rice.”
“But enough hot air might.”
01-08 20:14
Friend and Foxx:
Whaddawe gotta do to get a boxa rice in this town?
01-08 20:16
Friend and Foxx:
We want a stateroom.
Wifi??
01-08 20:17
Hawaii_Steve:
President Ulysses S. Grant approves an act of Congress that centralizes all U.S. copyright registration and deposit activities at the Library of Congress.
01-08 20:18
Hawaii_Steve:
July 1880
1870
01-08 20:20
Hawaii_Steve:
For decades, scholars have mined copyright records at the Library — home to the U.S. Copyright Office — to piece together the story of early cinema. It has long been known that the first motion picture registration was made in 1893. But no one had been able to tie that registration to an actual motion picture title with any certainty until now.
01-08 20:21
hounder:
cool hs
01-08 20:21
Hawaii_Steve:
This first film registered was inscribed in the official copyright record book only as “Edison Kinetoscopic Records.” Neither the original letter applying for the copyright nor any prints from the film were known to exist.
01-08 20:22
Mike in DC:
Here is what you need to know: https://www.copyright.gov/title17/
01-08 20:22
Hawaii_Steve:
My big question to the late executives of Fox Films: Why are there no copies of the early Chan films registered at the Library of Congress?
01-08 20:25
Friend and Foxx:
Our favorites come from OKLAHOMA MUTASCOPE.
She is such a coquette.
01-08 20:25
Hawaii_Steve:
Mike, thank you. For film copyright, all one has to do is read the back of any Universal Pictures movie released on VHS tape.
01-08 20:25
Rush:
Here comes some interesting interplay between the ship’s horn and their dialogue.
01-08 20:25
Mike in DC:
Steve: “Real” copyright is a dance between effort and potential commercial benefit. There are a lot of things that fly under the official copyright radar because there is no profit to be made either way.
01-08 20:25
Friend and Foxx:
NICE KNOWIN’ YA, BABE!!
01-08 20:25
Rush:
An accidental proposal!
01-08 20:25
Friend and Foxx:
What a gigolo.
01-08 20:27
Rush:
No…he loves her…money or no money!
The party!
01-08 20:27
Friend and Foxx:
Their 93rd Anniversary comes up this year. 93 is Abalone.
01-08 20:27
Rush:
Note how Max Minchin has softened!
01-08 20:27
Len Freeman:
gather the sispets
01-08 20:28
Friend and Foxx:
No pinchin’ Minchin.
01-08 20:28
Friend and Foxx:
Bad weed?
01-08 20:29
Rush:
Sung in Portuguese.
01-08 20:30
Friend and Foxx:
We see Goldie Hawn in the Babe role for the remake.
01-08 20:30
Rush:
Based on the “Dans Apache.”
01-08 20:31
Rush:
01-08 20:31
Friend and Foxx:
😆😆😆
01-08 20:31
Rush:
Chan goes to work!
01-08 20:32
Friend and Foxx:
The splice was a MERCY.
01-08 20:32
Rush:
His final “shot-in-the-dark’ plan!
01-08 20:32
Len Freeman:
and now the trap
01-08 20:32
Rush:
YES!
01-08 20:33
Friend and Foxx:
The bee-tennas are a nice touch.
01-08 20:34
Friend and Foxx:
The dish ran away with the spoons, so to speak.
01-08 20:35
Rush:
01-08 20:35
Hawaii_Steve:
“Dracula” the Universal movie from 1931 is still under copyright protection and due to expire in a few short years, I believe January 1, 2028, but I’ll need to check. It will enter the public domain the same time as the original Frankenstein movie with Boris Karloff.
01-08 20:36
Rush:
TYSM, Steve!
four years down the road!
01-08 20:36
Hawaii_Steve:
The same is true for the film “The Black Camel” (1931).
01-08 20:36
Rush:
AH!
01-08 20:37
Rush:
Some “CC’s Secret” music here.
01-08 20:37
Hawaii_Steve:
In 2028, we can remake “The Black Camel” frame by frame … and not be sued by Disney. Oh boy!
01-08 20:37
Friend and Foxx:
Mr.PITT?
01-08 20:37
Rush:
CC as the Mummy!
01-08 20:38
Friend and Foxx:
The ol’ silhouette trick!
01-08 20:38
Rush:
Yes!
01-08 20:39
Friend and Foxx:
Unrepentant!!
01-08 20:41
Rush:
A nice ending….FINIS
Exit music.
01-08 20:41
Friend and Foxx:
One WHAT?
01-08 20:41
Len Freeman:
Clearly an A film
01-08 20:41
Matt:
<yee-haw>
01-08 20:41
Rush:
So, thaere we have it!
01-08 20:41
hounder:
thanks for the fun. see you next week.
01-08 20:41
Hawaii_Steve:
Yes, I heard the exit music.
01-08 20:42
Rush:
The Spanish language version of “CC Carries On”
01-08 20:42
Matt:
Good night everyone and have a great week
01-08 20:42
Godwinshelley:
Nice we have this much
01-08 20:42
Friend and Foxx:
YAY!
Same bat-channels next week!!
01-08 20:42
Godwinshelley:
Stay safe everyone
01-08 20:42
Matt:
And a Happy Birthday to you Steve!
01-08 20:42
Rush:
Next week….”The BlACK CAMEL”
01-08 20:42
Godwinshelley:
Happy Birthday Steve
01-08 20:42
Matt:
01-08 20:42
Len Freeman:
nite
01-08 20:42
Friend and Foxx:
CUMPLEAÑOS FELIZ!!
01-08 20:42
Godwinshelley:
And Night all
01-08 20:42
Rush:
And, yes….Happy 70th, Steve!
01-08 20:42
Hawaii_Steve:
Thanks everyone for the wishes.
01-08 20:42
Rush:
Matt:
01-08 20:43
Godwinshelley:
Steve 70 years YOUNG
01-08 20:43
Hawaii_Steve:
I hope that doesn’t happen to me Matt.
01-08 20:43
Rush:
And hopefully no Oliver Hardy birthday cake for Steve tomorrow!
01-08 20:43
Hawaii_Steve:
LOL !!!
01-08 20:43
Friend and Foxx:
Angel 70 this year too!
01-08 20:43
Rush:
AH!
Guys, we are “moving up.”
01-08 20:43
Hawaii_Steve:
Happy Birthday Angel.
01-08 20:44
Rush:
Yes, Happy early Birthday, Angel….
01-08 20:44
Hawaii_Steve:
Good Night.
01-08 20:44
Rush:
Thank you ALL for an EXCELLENT evening!
Have a GREAT week!
Take care…
01-08 20:44
Hawaii_Steve:
Thank you again Rush for allowing Spike Jones and company.
01-08 20:45
Rush:
And…Buenos Noches a Todos!
Honored, Steve!
have a GREAT birthday tomorrow!
01-08 20:45
Rush:
(Flood or no flood!)
Thank YOU!
01-08 20:46
Good night…
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